Eagle

A fair amount of change has taken place within the last few weeks, so it's time for an update on the state of affairs.
Outbreak Community Representative
Following the first community meeting, it was decided that a representative should be elected to improve communication between the staff team and members. We followed an instant-runoff vote format and I was elected as the rep (it should be noted that Akame was the actual winner of the poll, but he declined the offer so 2nd place was taken instead).
The full results can be found here:
 
There has also been some confusion over what this role entails, so for clarification, my main two responsibilities are (but not limited to):
• Relaying information on the state of development within the community
           -This includes updates on admin meetings, future development plans etc.
• Managing the monthly community meetings
 
Remember that these are not set in stone, so if anybody feels I could change what I am doing, please do make suggestions.
Role Changes
Congratulations to MiniColossus on his successful promotion to member and Akame for obtaining moderator, as well as Marsh, Toby, Lucy and Vodo Hazed for getting trial.
In addition, the veteran group on the forums has now been retired and replaced with 'Retired Member' - it is effectively the same, but slightly more lenient, available to 2 year old members or previous members who have been a longstanding part of the community. This allows for well known, previously active people to easily return to member once they have returned.
Forum Updates
There have been various small changes within the forums over the past few days:
Member of the Month
As many of you will have seen, there is now a 'member of the month' vote at the right of the home page.

This should be used to suggest a member that you think has contributed particularly well in the past month; the top votes will be considered by the staff and a member selected - keep in mind that obvious troll picks will just be discarded.
As of now, the perks of winning are purely cosmetic, appearing as a forum medal which can be displayed under your avatar:

But if there are any ideas for more substantial benefits, please make a suggestion.
 
Miscellaneous
All previous warning points have been cleared (unless recent or still relevant) as to remove trivial sanctions.
Calendar information now shows on the home page to notify you of upcoming events.
Trophies and medals have now been fully implemented, with 'Veteran' and 'Years of Service' badges to showcase your time in the community (and reveal the filthy 2k16ers). Years of service badges require 20+ pieces of forum content per year to count towards the total.
FiveM Server
Development is still in progress for the server, but there have been some issues implementing certain plugins - a more detailed post will be made about this within the next couple of weeks.
Events
A new event schedule will now be tested to try and encourage more frequent events, following a simple alternating pattern of community choice events and staff hosted events.
The community choice events will be based on a monthly poll to decide on a game, and we hope members will be willing to help with the hosting of these in the future. (Thanks to Danny for hosting the first Worms WMD event).
Staff events will be run entirely by the admin team and game choice will be chosen on our perogative.
 
Results for the first community choice can be found here:
 

A fair amount of change has taken place within the last few weeks, so it's time for an update on the state of affairs.
Outbreak Community Representative
Following the first community meeting, it was decided that a representative should be elected to improve communication between the staff team and members. We followed an instant-runoff vote format and I was elected as the rep (it should be noted that Akame was the actual winner of the poll, but he declined the offer so 2nd place was taken instead).
The full results can be found here:
 
There has also been some confusion over what this role entails, so for clarification, my main two responsibilities are (but not limited to):
• Relaying information on the state of development within the community
           -This includes updates on admin meetings, future development plans etc.
• Managing the monthly community meetings
 
Remember that these are not set in stone, so if anybody feels I could change what I am doing, please do make suggestions.
Role Changes
Congratulations to MiniColossus on his successful promotion to member and Akame for obtaining moderator, as well as Marsh, Toby, Lucy and Vodo Hazed for getting trial.
In addition, the veteran group on the forums has now been retired and replaced with 'Retired Member' - it is effectively the same, but slightly more lenient, available to 2 year old members or previous members who have been a longstanding part of the community. This allows for well known, previously active people to easily return to member once they have returned.
Forum Updates
There have been various small changes within the forums over the past few days:
Member of the Month
As many of you will have seen, there is now a 'member of the month' vote at the right of the home page.

This should be used to suggest a member that you think has contributed particularly well in the past month; the top votes will be considered by the staff and a member selected - keep in mind that obvious troll picks will just be discarded.
As of now, the perks of winning are purely cosmetic, appearing as a forum medal which can be displayed under your avatar:

But if there are any ideas for more substantial benefits, please make a suggestion.
 
Miscellaneous
All previous warning points have been cleared (unless recent or still relevant) as to remove trivial sanctions.
Calendar information now shows on the home page to notify you of upcoming events.
Trophies and medals have now been fully implemented, with 'Veteran' and 'Years of Service' badges to showcase your time in the community (and reveal the filthy 2k16ers). Years of service badges require 20+ pieces of forum content per year to count towards the total.
FiveM Server
Development is still in progress for the server, but there have been some issues implementing certain plugins - a more detailed post will be made about this within the next couple of weeks.
Events
A new event schedule will now be tested to try and encourage more frequent events, following a simple alternating pattern of community choice events and staff hosted events.
The community choice events will be based on a monthly poll to decide on a game, and we hope members will be willing to help with the hosting of these in the future. (Thanks to Danny for hosting the first Worms WMD event).
Staff events will be run entirely by the admin team and game choice will be chosen on our perogative.
 
Results for the first community choice can be found here:
 

A fair amount of change has taken place within the last few weeks, so it's time for an update on the state of affairs.
Outbreak Community Representative
Following the first community meeting, it was decided that a representative should be elected to improve communication between the staff team and members. We followed an instant-runoff vote format and I was elected as the rep (it should be noted that Akame was the actual winner of the poll, but he declined the offer so 2nd place was taken instead).
The full results can be found here:
 
There has also been some confusion over what this role entails, so for clarification, my main two responsibilities are (but not limited to):
• Relaying information on the state of development within the community
           -This includes updates on admin meetings, future development plans etc.
• Managing the monthly community meetings
 
Remember that these are not set in stone, so if anybody feels I could change what I am doing, please do make suggestions.
Role Changes
Congratulations to MiniColossus on his successful promotion to member and Akame for obtaining moderator, as well as Marsh, Toby, Lucy and Vodo Hazed for getting trial.
In addition, the veteran group on the forums has now been retired and replaced with 'Retired Member' - it is effectively the same, but slightly more lenient, available to 2 year old members or previous members who have been a longstanding part of the community. This allows for well known, previously active people to easily return to member once they have returned.
Forum Updates
There have been various small changes within the forums over the past few days:
Member of the Month
As many of you will have seen, there is now a 'member of the month' vote at the right of the home page.

This should be used to suggest a member that you think has contributed particularly well in the past month; the top votes will be considered by the staff and a member selected - keep in mind that obvious troll picks will just be discarded.
As of now, the perks of winning are purely cosmetic, appearing as a forum medal which can be displayed under your avatar:

But if there are any ideas for more substantial benefits, please make a suggestion.
 
Miscellaneous
All previous warning points have been cleared (unless recent or still relevant) as to remove trivial sanctions.
Calendar information now shows on the home page to notify you of upcoming events.
Trophies and medals have now been fully implemented, with 'Veteran' and 'Years of Service' badges to showcase your time in the community (and reveal the filthy 2k16ers). Years of service badges require 20+ pieces of forum content per year to count towards the total.
FiveM Server
Development is still in progress for the server, but there have been some issues implementing certain plugins - a more detailed post will be made about this within the next couple of weeks.
Events
A new event schedule will now be tested to try and encourage more frequent events, following a simple alternating pattern of community choice events and staff hosted events.
The community choice events will be based on a monthly poll to decide on a game, and we hope members will be willing to help with the hosting of these in the future. (Thanks to Danny for hosting the first Worms WMD event).
Staff events will be run entirely by the admin team and game choice will be chosen on our perogative.
 
Results for the first community choice can be found here:
 

A fair amount of change has taken place within the last few weeks, so it's time for an update on the state of affairs.
Outbreak Community Representative
Following the first community meeting, it was decided that a representative should be elected to improve communication between the staff team and members. We followed an instant-runoff vote format and I was elected as the rep (it should be noted that Akame was the actual winner of the poll, but he declined the offer so 2nd place was taken instead).
The full results can be found here:
 
There has also been some confusion over what this role entails, so for clarification, my main two responsibilities are (but not limited to):
• Relaying information on the state of development within the community
           -This includes updates on admin meetings, future development plans etc.
• Managing the monthly community meetings
 
Remember that these are not set in stone, so if anybody feels I could change what I am doing, please do make suggestions.
Role Changes
Congratulations to MiniColossus on his successful promotion to member and Akame for obtaining moderator, as well as Marsh, Toby, Lucy and Vodo Hazed for getting trial.
In addition, the veteran group on the forums has now been retired and replaced with 'Retired Member' - it is effectively the same, but slightly more lenient, available to 2 year old members or previous members who have been a longstanding part of the community. This allows for well known, previously active people to easily return to member once they have returned.
Forum Updates
There have been various small changes within the forums over the past few days:
Member of the Month
As many of you will have seen, there is now a 'member of the month' vote at the right of the home page.

This should be used to suggest a member that you think has contributed particularly well in the past month; the top votes will be considered by the staff and a member selected - keep in mind that obvious troll picks will just be discarded.
As of now, the perks of winning are purely cosmetic, appearing as a forum medal which can be displayed under your avatar:

But if there are any ideas for more substantial benefits, please make a suggestion.
 
Miscellaneous
All previous warning points have been cleared (unless recent or still relevant) as to remove trivial sanctions.
Calendar information now shows on the home page to notify you of upcoming events.
Trophies and medals have now been fully implemented, with 'Veteran' and 'Years of Service' badges to showcase your time in the community (and reveal the filthy 2k16ers). Years of service badges require 20+ pieces of forum content per year to count towards the total.
FiveM Server
Development is still in progress for the server, but there have been some issues implementing certain plugins - a more detailed post will be made about this within the next couple of weeks.
Events
A new event schedule will now be tested to try and encourage more frequent events, following a simple alternating pattern of community choice events and staff hosted events.
The community choice events will be based on a monthly poll to decide on a game, and we hope members will be willing to help with the hosting of these in the future. (Thanks to Danny for hosting the first Worms WMD event).
Staff events will be run entirely by the admin team and game choice will be chosen on our perogative.
 
Results for the first community choice can be found here:
 

A fair amount of change has taken place within the last few weeks, so it's time for an update on the state of affairs.
Outbreak Community Representative
Following the first community meeting, it was decided that a representative should be elected to improve communication between the staff team and members. We followed an instant-runoff vote format and I was elected as the rep (it should be noted that Akame was the actual winner of the poll, but he declined the offer so 2nd place was taken instead).
The full results can be found here:
 
There has also been some confusion over what this role entails, so for clarification, my main two responsibilities are (but not limited to):
• Relaying information on the state of development within the community
           -This includes updates on admin meetings, future development plans etc.
• Managing the monthly community meetings
 
Remember that these are not set in stone, so if anybody feels I could change what I am doing, please do make suggestions.
Role Changes
Congratulations to MiniColossus on his successful promotion to member and Akame for obtaining moderator, as well as Marsh, Toby, Lucy and Vodo Hazed for getting trial.
In addition, the veteran group on the forums has now been retired and replaced with 'Retired Member' - it is effectively the same, but slightly more lenient, available to 2 year old members or previous members who have been a longstanding part of the community. This allows for well known, previously active people to easily return to member once they have returned.
Forum Updates
There have been various small changes within the forums over the past few days:
Member of the Month
As many of you will have seen, there is now a 'member of the month' vote at the right of the home page.

This should be used to suggest a member that you think has contributed particularly well in the past month; the top votes will be considered by the staff and a member selected - keep in mind that obvious troll picks will just be discarded.
As of now, the perks of winning are purely cosmetic, appearing as a forum medal which can be displayed under your avatar:

But if there are any ideas for more substantial benefits, please make a suggestion.
 
Miscellaneous
All previous warning points have been cleared (unless recent or still relevant) as to remove trivial sanctions.
Calendar information now shows on the home page to notify you of upcoming events.
Trophies and medals have now been fully implemented, with 'Veteran' and 'Years of Service' badges to showcase your time in the community (and reveal the filthy 2k16ers). Years of service badges require 20+ pieces of forum content per year to count towards the total.
FiveM Server
Development is still in progress for the server, but there have been some issues implementing certain plugins - a more detailed post will be made about this within the next couple of weeks.
Events
A new event schedule will now be tested to try and encourage more frequent events, following a simple alternating pattern of community choice events and staff hosted events.
The community choice events will be based on a monthly poll to decide on a game, and we hope members will be willing to help with the hosting of these in the future. (Thanks to Danny for hosting the first Worms WMD event).
Staff events will be run entirely by the admin team and game choice will be chosen on our perogative.
 
Results for the first community choice can be found here:
 

A fair amount of change has taken place within the last few weeks, so it's time for an update on the state of affairs.
Outbreak Community Representative
Following the first community meeting, it was decided that a representative should be elected to improve communication between the staff team and members. We followed an instant-runoff vote format and I was elected as the rep (it should be noted that Akame was the actual winner of the poll, but he declined the offer so 2nd place was taken instead).
The full results can be found here:
 
There has also been some confusion over what this role entails, so for clarification, my main two responsibilities are (but not limited to):
• Relaying information on the state of development within the community
           -This includes updates on admin meetings, future development plans etc.
• Managing the monthly community meetings
 
Remember that these are not set in stone, so if anybody feels I could change what I am doing, please do make suggestions.
Role Changes
Congratulations to MiniColossus on his successful promotion to member and Akame for obtaining moderator, as well as Marsh, Toby, Lucy and Vodo Hazed for getting trial.
In addition, the veteran group on the forums has now been retired and replaced with 'Retired Member' - it is effectively the same, but slightly more lenient, available to 2 year old members or previous members who have been a longstanding part of the community. This allows for well known, previously active people to easily return to member once they have returned.
Forum Updates
There have been various small changes within the forums over the past few days:
Member of the Month
As many of you will have seen, there is now a 'member of the month' vote at the right of the home page.

This should be used to suggest a member that you think has contributed particularly well in the past month; the top votes will be considered by the staff and a member selected - keep in mind that obvious troll picks will just be discarded.
As of now, the perks of winning are purely cosmetic, appearing as a forum medal which can be displayed under your avatar:

But if there are any ideas for more substantial benefits, please make a suggestion.
 
Miscellaneous
All previous warning points have been cleared (unless recent or still relevant) as to remove trivial sanctions.
Calendar information now shows on the home page to notify you of upcoming events.
Trophies and medals have now been fully implemented, with 'Veteran' and 'Years of Service' badges to showcase your time in the community (and reveal the filthy 2k16ers). Years of service badges require 20+ pieces of forum content per year to count towards the total.
FiveM Server
Development is still in progress for the server, but there have been some issues implementing certain plugins - a more detailed post will be made about this within the next couple of weeks.
Events
A new event schedule will now be tested to try and encourage more frequent events, following a simple alternating pattern of community choice events and staff hosted events.
The community choice events will be based on a monthly poll to decide on a game, and we hope members will be willing to help with the hosting of these in the future. (Thanks to Danny for hosting the first Worms WMD event).
Staff events will be run entirely by the admin team and game choice will be chosen on our perogative.
 
Results for the first community choice can be found here:
 

A fair amount of change has taken place within the last few weeks, so it's time for an update on the state of affairs.
Outbreak Community Representative
Following the first community meeting, it was decided that a representative should be elected to improve communication between the staff team and members. We followed an instant-runoff vote format and I was elected as the rep (it should be noted that Akame was the actual winner of the poll, but he declined the offer so 2nd place was taken instead).
The full results can be found here:
 
There has also been some confusion over what this role entails, so for clarification, my main two responsibilities are (but not limited to):
• Relaying information on the state of development within the community
           -This includes updates on admin meetings, future development plans etc.
• Managing the monthly community meetings
 
Remember that these are not set in stone, so if anybody feels I could change what I am doing, please do make suggestions.
Role Changes
Congratulations to MiniColossus on his successful promotion to member and Akame for obtaining moderator, as well as Marsh, Toby, Lucy and Vodo Hazed for getting trial.
In addition, the veteran group on the forums has now been retired and replaced with 'Retired Member' - it is effectively the same, but slightly more lenient, available to 2 year old members or previous members who have been a longstanding part of the community. This allows for well known, previously active people to easily return to member once they have returned.
Forum Updates
There have been various small changes within the forums over the past few days:
Member of the Month
As many of you will have seen, there is now a 'member of the month' vote at the right of the home page.

This should be used to suggest a member that you think has contributed particularly well in the past month; the top votes will be considered by the staff and a member selected - keep in mind that obvious troll picks will just be discarded.
As of now, the perks of winning are purely cosmetic, appearing as a forum medal which can be displayed under your avatar:

But if there are any ideas for more substantial benefits, please make a suggestion.
 
Miscellaneous
All previous warning points have been cleared (unless recent or still relevant) as to remove trivial sanctions.
Calendar information now shows on the home page to notify you of upcoming events.
Trophies and medals have now been fully implemented, with 'Veteran' and 'Years of Service' badges to showcase your time in the community (and reveal the filthy 2k16ers). Years of service badges require 20+ pieces of forum content per year to count towards the total.
FiveM Server
Development is still in progress for the server, but there have been some issues implementing certain plugins - a more detailed post will be made about this within the next couple of weeks.
Events
A new event schedule will now be tested to try and encourage more frequent events, following a simple alternating pattern of community choice events and staff hosted events.
The community choice events will be based on a monthly poll to decide on a game, and we hope members will be willing to help with the hosting of these in the future. (Thanks to Danny for hosting the first Worms WMD event).
Staff events will be run entirely by the admin team and game choice will be chosen on our perogative.
 
Results for the first community choice can be found here:
 

A fair amount of change has taken place within the last few weeks, so it's time for an update on the state of affairs.
Outbreak Community Representative
Following the first community meeting, it was decided that a representative should be elected to improve communication between the staff team and members. We followed an instant-runoff vote format and I was elected as the rep (it should be noted that Akame was the actual winner of the poll, but he declined the offer so 2nd place was taken instead).
The full results can be found here:
 
There has also been some confusion over what this role entails, so for clarification, my main two responsibilities are (but not limited to):
• Relaying information on the state of development within the community
           -This includes updates on admin meetings, future development plans etc.
• Managing the monthly community meetings
 
Remember that these are not set in stone, so if anybody feels I could change what I am doing, please do make suggestions.
Role Changes
Congratulations to MiniColossus on his successful promotion to member and Akame for obtaining moderator, as well as Marsh, Toby, Lucy and Vodo Hazed for getting trial.
In addition, the veteran group on the forums has now been retired and replaced with 'Retired Member' - it is effectively the same, but slightly more lenient, available to 2 year old members or previous members who have been a longstanding part of the community. This allows for well known, previously active people to easily return to member once they have returned.
Forum Updates
There have been various small changes within the forums over the past few days:
Member of the Month
As many of you will have seen, there is now a 'member of the month' vote at the right of the home page.

This should be used to suggest a member that you think has contributed particularly well in the past month; the top votes will be considered by the staff and a member selected - keep in mind that obvious troll picks will just be discarded.
As of now, the perks of winning are purely cosmetic, appearing as a forum medal which can be displayed under your avatar:

But if there are any ideas for more substantial benefits, please make a suggestion.
 
Miscellaneous
All previous warning points have been cleared (unless recent or still relevant) as to remove trivial sanctions.
Calendar information now shows on the home page to notify you of upcoming events.
Trophies and medals have now been fully implemented, with 'Veteran' and 'Years of Service' badges to showcase your time in the community (and reveal the filthy 2k16ers). Years of service badges require 20+ pieces of forum content per year to count towards the total.
FiveM Server
Development is still in progress for the server, but there have been some issues implementing certain plugins - a more detailed post will be made about this within the next couple of weeks.
Events
A new event schedule will now be tested to try and encourage more frequent events, following a simple alternating pattern of community choice events and staff hosted events.
The community choice events will be based on a monthly poll to decide on a game, and we hope members will be willing to help with the hosting of these in the future. (Thanks to Danny for hosting the first Worms WMD event).
Staff events will be run entirely by the admin team and game choice will be chosen on our perogative.
 
Results for the first community choice can be found here:
 

I feel like this would legit last like a week then people will forget about it or get bored

to all these IDIOTS voting @keemy
 
Please consider your actions more closely.
 

Player Name: MiniColossus
Date of Birth: 29 August 1998
Age: 20
Country/Location: Cambridgeshire, England
SteamID: STEAM_0:0:11618397
Games Played: CS:GO, League of Legends, Minecraft, Apex Legends, CS:S (More)
Roughly how long have you been playing our server(s)? I've been on the teamspeak / forums since September 2016 I didn't really get to enjoy Jailbreak in it's prime but was recommended here by Flash
What qualities can you bring to Outbreak? I don't really know how to answer this question as I've been here for a while and had some good times with a lot of people in outbreak but in future im hoping I can bring suggestions towards the community and how to make it progress!
Tell us a little something about yourself: I was working for the past 3 years however I am currently taking a break from working and enjoying life a little bit more.
Is this your first post? I try to post frequently on the forums but I don't get involved in posts that I don't seem relevant.
Have you been around for less than 2 weeks (this includes Teamspeak and forums)? Nope ?

I think the main problem here (as others have said) is more the lack of a unifying entity for the community to engage rather than the admin team. I absolutely agree that there are things the current team could do better (e.g. more communication, more mod powers (what is the benefit of not allowing mods powers like approving forum posts or moving people in teamspeak? These are pretty basic powers and if someone's a mod they should be trustworthy enough to use them)), but I don't think shifting around the team will do much - surely if somebody had an idea for how to move the community forward they would have made a post about it, no?
This being said, I think bringing events back would be beneficial - servers tend to require long term commitments for sustainability and often revolve around a group of people within the community joining at once to create a core population that will actually incentivise other people to join. Events are not like this, you only have to give up a night or two and its an easy way to integrate members across the subgroups that exist. In addition, it perhaps has potential to gauge community interest in a particular game or gamemode, if people didn't find a surf/minigames/gmod/etc. event fun, it's unlikely to work as a server. I would like to clarify, however, that these should be EVENTS not server openings - they should offer the opportunity to play things that aren't usually/commonly available within OB (full sized tournaments, CTF games, 1v1s/2v2s against large numbers of people, and so on...).
As a side note to this, perhaps it would be worth trying cross community events again? The last one basically flopped because everyone was on holiday while it was running but I reckon it might be worth a fair chance (In fairness, I don't know whether other members would be interested in that sort of event, so you would need to check interest first)
 
Mintlou, I think you made some good points and sparked a good discussion, but I would perhaps split your objectives - if people don't like you they're unlikely to have a productive conversation about the issues you have with the admin team if they think that agreeing with you will allow you leadership; some people may want to change the team but not want you as owner, so not seperating these categories causes unrepresentative arguements. I would have perhaps created this thread initially with a disconnect from you - "this vote is just to see if people are happy with the admins, not whether they want me as the owner etc." and then based on the replies, moved forward with "I think I could be a good candidate..." because I'm assuming the original post wasn't entirely self-interested?
 
Admins, I think a large part of the problem is due to the lack of communication and direction you seem to have. A stagnant/unfruitful state of development would be acceptable if we could see what work you were trying to do and it was apparent that nobody (including all members of the community) had any useable ideas. Maybe returning monthly updates would work? I understand that there may be nothing of substance to discuss in these posts (although at the moment, the stage that the FiveM server is at would be great to talk about) but I would honestly prefer a copypasta "Hey guys, we're currently just moderating, but any ideas you have for... would be greatly appreciated" to at least acknowledge the community (although if regular events came back, maybe these posts could promote them? Perhaps would be thought of a useless/spammy, idk). I also feel personally that I'm not sure what your goal is with the servers, I've heard talk about trying to build community size from some people, but a DayZ server does nothing to achieve that. Are the servers primary focus to satisfy the existing community or bring in new people?
As for the claims of admin's comments, its one word against another so I can't really argue either way
 
 
Also ngl this triggered me a bit when Mintlou was just talking about judging the argument, not him.
 
"But Eagle, you just said 'surely if somebody had an idea for how to move the community forward they would have made a post about it, no?' and then proceeded to give an idea on how to move the community forward!!!1!1!"
Yes, but I hadn't given much thought on community progression until the creation of this thread (which doesn't validate arguing for changing of an admin team as you can spur discussion by just creating a thread asking "how should we improve...")
 
 
EDIT: Started writing this earlier in the day then forgot about it so didn't see Mintlou's newest post, he summarised things pretty well but will leave this here as I think I made a few new points.

I think the main problem here (as others have said) is more the lack of a unifying entity for the community to engage rather than the admin team. I absolutely agree that there are things the current team could do better (e.g. more communication, more mod powers (what is the benefit of not allowing mods powers like approving forum posts or moving people in teamspeak? These are pretty basic powers and if someone's a mod they should be trustworthy enough to use them)), but I don't think shifting around the team will do much - surely if somebody had an idea for how to move the community forward they would have made a post about it, no?
This being said, I think bringing events back would be beneficial - servers tend to require long term commitments for sustainability and often revolve around a group of people within the community joining at once to create a core population that will actually incentivise other people to join. Events are not like this, you only have to give up a night or two and its an easy way to integrate members across the subgroups that exist. In addition, it perhaps has potential to gauge community interest in a particular game or gamemode, if people didn't find a surf/minigames/gmod/etc. event fun, it's unlikely to work as a server. I would like to clarify, however, that these should be EVENTS not server openings - they should offer the opportunity to play things that aren't usually/commonly available within OB (full sized tournaments, CTF games, 1v1s/2v2s against large numbers of people, and so on...).
As a side note to this, perhaps it would be worth trying cross community events again? The last one basically flopped because everyone was on holiday while it was running but I reckon it might be worth a fair chance (In fairness, I don't know whether other members would be interested in that sort of event, so you would need to check interest first)
 
Mintlou, I think you made some good points and sparked a good discussion, but I would perhaps split your objectives - if people don't like you they're unlikely to have a productive conversation about the issues you have with the admin team if they think that agreeing with you will allow you leadership; some people may want to change the team but not want you as owner, so not seperating these categories causes unrepresentative arguements. I would have perhaps created this thread initially with a disconnect from you - "this vote is just to see if people are happy with the admins, not whether they want me as the owner etc." and then based on the replies, moved forward with "I think I could be a good candidate..." because I'm assuming the original post wasn't entirely self-interested?
 
Admins, I think a large part of the problem is due to the lack of communication and direction you seem to have. A stagnant/unfruitful state of development would be acceptable if we could see what work you were trying to do and it was apparent that nobody (including all members of the community) had any useable ideas. Maybe returning monthly updates would work? I understand that there may be nothing of substance to discuss in these posts (although at the moment, the stage that the FiveM server is at would be great to talk about) but I would honestly prefer a copypasta "Hey guys, we're currently just moderating, but any ideas you have for... would be greatly appreciated" to at least acknowledge the community (although if regular events came back, maybe these posts could promote them? Perhaps would be thought of a useless/spammy, idk). I also feel personally that I'm not sure what your goal is with the servers, I've heard talk about trying to build community size from some people, but a DayZ server does nothing to achieve that. Are the servers primary focus to satisfy the existing community or bring in new people?
As for the claims of admin's comments, its one word against another so I can't really argue either way
 
 
Also ngl this triggered me a bit when Mintlou was just talking about judging the argument, not him.
 
"But Eagle, you just said 'surely if somebody had an idea for how to move the community forward they would have made a post about it, no?' and then proceeded to give an idea on how to move the community forward!!!1!1!"
Yes, but I hadn't given much thought on community progression until the creation of this thread (which doesn't validate arguing for changing of an admin team as you can spur discussion by just creating a thread asking "how should we improve...")
 
 
EDIT: Started writing this earlier in the day then forgot about it so didn't see Mintlou's newest post, he summarised things pretty well but will leave this here as I think I made a few new points.

Following our first "Community Discussion Meeting" here is the outcome of that meeting, the meeting showed how we do all care about the community and its direction and I want to personal thank everyone who got involved this will be something that we shall try to do on a monthly basis. 

Community Discussion Meeting
Overhaul the feedback from the meeting shows that we do want some sort of community growth through various areas throughout the community, a few ways to do this have been suggested which I will be mentioning below.

A role will be voted on by the community to say who they want as the "Outbreak Community Representative" this person will keep everyone updated on everything that is happening throughout the community whether it be Events, Servers and Community Development as a whole, put simply they will be the Outbreak PR person working with everyone. Hopefully this role will fix our lack of community information/updates so that everyone knows where we are at. More information HERE.

Monthly Update posts will actually be posted monthly, keeping our community updated, in-between this we will be doing Community Discussion Meetings where everyone can show up and we can discuss the community together. Community Discussion Meeting and Monthly Updates will also take place on a bi-weekly format for example:
01/01/2019 Monthly Update 15/01/2019 Community Discussion Meeting 01/02/2019 Monthly Update 15/02/2019 Community Discussion Meeting
The Community Discussion Meetings will be up on the calendar as soon as a date and time is selected, this will be where you can either post points that you would like to bring up or message either Myself and the Staff Team or the Outbreak Community Representative these meeting should be no longer than one hour. 
Outbreak Community Media is an area that was brought up in the meeting where everyone can get involved uploading clips or funny situations that have happened in the community, think something along the lines of Soviet Womble Videos. A Thread for this will be created where you can upload Videos to dropbox/google drive or whatever else and hopefully they can be created to showcase our community and then uploaded to the Outbreak Community YouTube Channel which you can subscribe to right now HERE, More information about this will be posted on the Thread itself.
Currently the Community is split in different channels throughout the Teamspeak this is something everyone brought up to and wanted to try and resolve. The best suggestion for this is Events whether it be fully organised Events/Tournaments or something more causal along the lines of Game Nights. A thread for this will be created where we can post suggestion on what people would like to see done, this will need be done as a community effort, so if you are suggesting something you should be will to try and help out with it so it doesn't end up being piled upon one or a small number of people.   

GTA FiveM RP Server
GTA FiveM RP Server as I've previously mentioned I've been focusing on working on this, the current ETA is to have something like a playable BETA for Outbreak by the end of the month. If you do want to help out with this whether that be suggesting possible plugins from HERE or anything else let us know.

If you do have experience with GTA FiveM or if you have played it yourself or watched videos and have suggestions for the server let us know! Some examples of things that would be really helpful would be plugin creation/editing or GTA Map Editing.

Minor Update
Members+ Can give out Teamspeak Permissions to anyone in the  "New Permissions" Group, please try to either give out perms to people that you know or if you have been asked another player or if you have spoken the them. 

 

I think the main problem here (as others have said) is more the lack of a unifying entity for the community to engage rather than the admin team. I absolutely agree that there are things the current team could do better (e.g. more communication, more mod powers (what is the benefit of not allowing mods powers like approving forum posts or moving people in teamspeak? These are pretty basic powers and if someone's a mod they should be trustworthy enough to use them)), but I don't think shifting around the team will do much - surely if somebody had an idea for how to move the community forward they would have made a post about it, no?
This being said, I think bringing events back would be beneficial - servers tend to require long term commitments for sustainability and often revolve around a group of people within the community joining at once to create a core population that will actually incentivise other people to join. Events are not like this, you only have to give up a night or two and its an easy way to integrate members across the subgroups that exist. In addition, it perhaps has potential to gauge community interest in a particular game or gamemode, if people didn't find a surf/minigames/gmod/etc. event fun, it's unlikely to work as a server. I would like to clarify, however, that these should be EVENTS not server openings - they should offer the opportunity to play things that aren't usually/commonly available within OB (full sized tournaments, CTF games, 1v1s/2v2s against large numbers of people, and so on...).
As a side note to this, perhaps it would be worth trying cross community events again? The last one basically flopped because everyone was on holiday while it was running but I reckon it might be worth a fair chance (In fairness, I don't know whether other members would be interested in that sort of event, so you would need to check interest first)
 
Mintlou, I think you made some good points and sparked a good discussion, but I would perhaps split your objectives - if people don't like you they're unlikely to have a productive conversation about the issues you have with the admin team if they think that agreeing with you will allow you leadership; some people may want to change the team but not want you as owner, so not seperating these categories causes unrepresentative arguements. I would have perhaps created this thread initially with a disconnect from you - "this vote is just to see if people are happy with the admins, not whether they want me as the owner etc." and then based on the replies, moved forward with "I think I could be a good candidate..." because I'm assuming the original post wasn't entirely self-interested?
 
Admins, I think a large part of the problem is due to the lack of communication and direction you seem to have. A stagnant/unfruitful state of development would be acceptable if we could see what work you were trying to do and it was apparent that nobody (including all members of the community) had any useable ideas. Maybe returning monthly updates would work? I understand that there may be nothing of substance to discuss in these posts (although at the moment, the stage that the FiveM server is at would be great to talk about) but I would honestly prefer a copypasta "Hey guys, we're currently just moderating, but any ideas you have for... would be greatly appreciated" to at least acknowledge the community (although if regular events came back, maybe these posts could promote them? Perhaps would be thought of a useless/spammy, idk). I also feel personally that I'm not sure what your goal is with the servers, I've heard talk about trying to build community size from some people, but a DayZ server does nothing to achieve that. Are the servers primary focus to satisfy the existing community or bring in new people?
As for the claims of admin's comments, its one word against another so I can't really argue either way
 
 
Also ngl this triggered me a bit when Mintlou was just talking about judging the argument, not him.
 
"But Eagle, you just said 'surely if somebody had an idea for how to move the community forward they would have made a post about it, no?' and then proceeded to give an idea on how to move the community forward!!!1!1!"
Yes, but I hadn't given much thought on community progression until the creation of this thread (which doesn't validate arguing for changing of an admin team as you can spur discussion by just creating a thread asking "how should we improve...")
 
 
EDIT: Started writing this earlier in the day then forgot about it so didn't see Mintlou's newest post, he summarised things pretty well but will leave this here as I think I made a few new points.

I think the main problem here (as others have said) is more the lack of a unifying entity for the community to engage rather than the admin team. I absolutely agree that there are things the current team could do better (e.g. more communication, more mod powers (what is the benefit of not allowing mods powers like approving forum posts or moving people in teamspeak? These are pretty basic powers and if someone's a mod they should be trustworthy enough to use them)), but I don't think shifting around the team will do much - surely if somebody had an idea for how to move the community forward they would have made a post about it, no?
This being said, I think bringing events back would be beneficial - servers tend to require long term commitments for sustainability and often revolve around a group of people within the community joining at once to create a core population that will actually incentivise other people to join. Events are not like this, you only have to give up a night or two and its an easy way to integrate members across the subgroups that exist. In addition, it perhaps has potential to gauge community interest in a particular game or gamemode, if people didn't find a surf/minigames/gmod/etc. event fun, it's unlikely to work as a server. I would like to clarify, however, that these should be EVENTS not server openings - they should offer the opportunity to play things that aren't usually/commonly available within OB (full sized tournaments, CTF games, 1v1s/2v2s against large numbers of people, and so on...).
As a side note to this, perhaps it would be worth trying cross community events again? The last one basically flopped because everyone was on holiday while it was running but I reckon it might be worth a fair chance (In fairness, I don't know whether other members would be interested in that sort of event, so you would need to check interest first)
 
Mintlou, I think you made some good points and sparked a good discussion, but I would perhaps split your objectives - if people don't like you they're unlikely to have a productive conversation about the issues you have with the admin team if they think that agreeing with you will allow you leadership; some people may want to change the team but not want you as owner, so not seperating these categories causes unrepresentative arguements. I would have perhaps created this thread initially with a disconnect from you - "this vote is just to see if people are happy with the admins, not whether they want me as the owner etc." and then based on the replies, moved forward with "I think I could be a good candidate..." because I'm assuming the original post wasn't entirely self-interested?
 
Admins, I think a large part of the problem is due to the lack of communication and direction you seem to have. A stagnant/unfruitful state of development would be acceptable if we could see what work you were trying to do and it was apparent that nobody (including all members of the community) had any useable ideas. Maybe returning monthly updates would work? I understand that there may be nothing of substance to discuss in these posts (although at the moment, the stage that the FiveM server is at would be great to talk about) but I would honestly prefer a copypasta "Hey guys, we're currently just moderating, but any ideas you have for... would be greatly appreciated" to at least acknowledge the community (although if regular events came back, maybe these posts could promote them? Perhaps would be thought of a useless/spammy, idk). I also feel personally that I'm not sure what your goal is with the servers, I've heard talk about trying to build community size from some people, but a DayZ server does nothing to achieve that. Are the servers primary focus to satisfy the existing community or bring in new people?
As for the claims of admin's comments, its one word against another so I can't really argue either way
 
 
Also ngl this triggered me a bit when Mintlou was just talking about judging the argument, not him.
 
"But Eagle, you just said 'surely if somebody had an idea for how to move the community forward they would have made a post about it, no?' and then proceeded to give an idea on how to move the community forward!!!1!1!"
Yes, but I hadn't given much thought on community progression until the creation of this thread (which doesn't validate arguing for changing of an admin team as you can spur discussion by just creating a thread asking "how should we improve...")
 
 
EDIT: Started writing this earlier in the day then forgot about it so didn't see Mintlou's newest post, he summarised things pretty well but will leave this here as I think I made a few new points.

I think the main problem here (as others have said) is more the lack of a unifying entity for the community to engage rather than the admin team. I absolutely agree that there are things the current team could do better (e.g. more communication, more mod powers (what is the benefit of not allowing mods powers like approving forum posts or moving people in teamspeak? These are pretty basic powers and if someone's a mod they should be trustworthy enough to use them)), but I don't think shifting around the team will do much - surely if somebody had an idea for how to move the community forward they would have made a post about it, no?
This being said, I think bringing events back would be beneficial - servers tend to require long term commitments for sustainability and often revolve around a group of people within the community joining at once to create a core population that will actually incentivise other people to join. Events are not like this, you only have to give up a night or two and its an easy way to integrate members across the subgroups that exist. In addition, it perhaps has potential to gauge community interest in a particular game or gamemode, if people didn't find a surf/minigames/gmod/etc. event fun, it's unlikely to work as a server. I would like to clarify, however, that these should be EVENTS not server openings - they should offer the opportunity to play things that aren't usually/commonly available within OB (full sized tournaments, CTF games, 1v1s/2v2s against large numbers of people, and so on...).
As a side note to this, perhaps it would be worth trying cross community events again? The last one basically flopped because everyone was on holiday while it was running but I reckon it might be worth a fair chance (In fairness, I don't know whether other members would be interested in that sort of event, so you would need to check interest first)
 
Mintlou, I think you made some good points and sparked a good discussion, but I would perhaps split your objectives - if people don't like you they're unlikely to have a productive conversation about the issues you have with the admin team if they think that agreeing with you will allow you leadership; some people may want to change the team but not want you as owner, so not seperating these categories causes unrepresentative arguements. I would have perhaps created this thread initially with a disconnect from you - "this vote is just to see if people are happy with the admins, not whether they want me as the owner etc." and then based on the replies, moved forward with "I think I could be a good candidate..." because I'm assuming the original post wasn't entirely self-interested?
 
Admins, I think a large part of the problem is due to the lack of communication and direction you seem to have. A stagnant/unfruitful state of development would be acceptable if we could see what work you were trying to do and it was apparent that nobody (including all members of the community) had any useable ideas. Maybe returning monthly updates would work? I understand that there may be nothing of substance to discuss in these posts (although at the moment, the stage that the FiveM server is at would be great to talk about) but I would honestly prefer a copypasta "Hey guys, we're currently just moderating, but any ideas you have for... would be greatly appreciated" to at least acknowledge the community (although if regular events came back, maybe these posts could promote them? Perhaps would be thought of a useless/spammy, idk). I also feel personally that I'm not sure what your goal is with the servers, I've heard talk about trying to build community size from some people, but a DayZ server does nothing to achieve that. Are the servers primary focus to satisfy the existing community or bring in new people?
As for the claims of admin's comments, its one word against another so I can't really argue either way
 
 
Also ngl this triggered me a bit when Mintlou was just talking about judging the argument, not him.
 
"But Eagle, you just said 'surely if somebody had an idea for how to move the community forward they would have made a post about it, no?' and then proceeded to give an idea on how to move the community forward!!!1!1!"
Yes, but I hadn't given much thought on community progression until the creation of this thread (which doesn't validate arguing for changing of an admin team as you can spur discussion by just creating a thread asking "how should we improve...")
 
 
EDIT: Started writing this earlier in the day then forgot about it so didn't see Mintlou's newest post, he summarised things pretty well but will leave this here as I think I made a few new points.

I think the main problem here (as others have said) is more the lack of a unifying entity for the community to engage rather than the admin team. I absolutely agree that there are things the current team could do better (e.g. more communication, more mod powers (what is the benefit of not allowing mods powers like approving forum posts or moving people in teamspeak? These are pretty basic powers and if someone's a mod they should be trustworthy enough to use them)), but I don't think shifting around the team will do much - surely if somebody had an idea for how to move the community forward they would have made a post about it, no?
This being said, I think bringing events back would be beneficial - servers tend to require long term commitments for sustainability and often revolve around a group of people within the community joining at once to create a core population that will actually incentivise other people to join. Events are not like this, you only have to give up a night or two and its an easy way to integrate members across the subgroups that exist. In addition, it perhaps has potential to gauge community interest in a particular game or gamemode, if people didn't find a surf/minigames/gmod/etc. event fun, it's unlikely to work as a server. I would like to clarify, however, that these should be EVENTS not server openings - they should offer the opportunity to play things that aren't usually/commonly available within OB (full sized tournaments, CTF games, 1v1s/2v2s against large numbers of people, and so on...).
As a side note to this, perhaps it would be worth trying cross community events again? The last one basically flopped because everyone was on holiday while it was running but I reckon it might be worth a fair chance (In fairness, I don't know whether other members would be interested in that sort of event, so you would need to check interest first)
 
Mintlou, I think you made some good points and sparked a good discussion, but I would perhaps split your objectives - if people don't like you they're unlikely to have a productive conversation about the issues you have with the admin team if they think that agreeing with you will allow you leadership; some people may want to change the team but not want you as owner, so not seperating these categories causes unrepresentative arguements. I would have perhaps created this thread initially with a disconnect from you - "this vote is just to see if people are happy with the admins, not whether they want me as the owner etc." and then based on the replies, moved forward with "I think I could be a good candidate..." because I'm assuming the original post wasn't entirely self-interested?
 
Admins, I think a large part of the problem is due to the lack of communication and direction you seem to have. A stagnant/unfruitful state of development would be acceptable if we could see what work you were trying to do and it was apparent that nobody (including all members of the community) had any useable ideas. Maybe returning monthly updates would work? I understand that there may be nothing of substance to discuss in these posts (although at the moment, the stage that the FiveM server is at would be great to talk about) but I would honestly prefer a copypasta "Hey guys, we're currently just moderating, but any ideas you have for... would be greatly appreciated" to at least acknowledge the community (although if regular events came back, maybe these posts could promote them? Perhaps would be thought of a useless/spammy, idk). I also feel personally that I'm not sure what your goal is with the servers, I've heard talk about trying to build community size from some people, but a DayZ server does nothing to achieve that. Are the servers primary focus to satisfy the existing community or bring in new people?
As for the claims of admin's comments, its one word against another so I can't really argue either way
 
 
Also ngl this triggered me a bit when Mintlou was just talking about judging the argument, not him.
 
"But Eagle, you just said 'surely if somebody had an idea for how to move the community forward they would have made a post about it, no?' and then proceeded to give an idea on how to move the community forward!!!1!1!"
Yes, but I hadn't given much thought on community progression until the creation of this thread (which doesn't validate arguing for changing of an admin team as you can spur discussion by just creating a thread asking "how should we improve...")
 
 
EDIT: Started writing this earlier in the day then forgot about it so didn't see Mintlou's newest post, he summarised things pretty well but will leave this here as I think I made a few new points.

I think the main problem here (as others have said) is more the lack of a unifying entity for the community to engage rather than the admin team. I absolutely agree that there are things the current team could do better (e.g. more communication, more mod powers (what is the benefit of not allowing mods powers like approving forum posts or moving people in teamspeak? These are pretty basic powers and if someone's a mod they should be trustworthy enough to use them)), but I don't think shifting around the team will do much - surely if somebody had an idea for how to move the community forward they would have made a post about it, no?
This being said, I think bringing events back would be beneficial - servers tend to require long term commitments for sustainability and often revolve around a group of people within the community joining at once to create a core population that will actually incentivise other people to join. Events are not like this, you only have to give up a night or two and its an easy way to integrate members across the subgroups that exist. In addition, it perhaps has potential to gauge community interest in a particular game or gamemode, if people didn't find a surf/minigames/gmod/etc. event fun, it's unlikely to work as a server. I would like to clarify, however, that these should be EVENTS not server openings - they should offer the opportunity to play things that aren't usually/commonly available within OB (full sized tournaments, CTF games, 1v1s/2v2s against large numbers of people, and so on...).
As a side note to this, perhaps it would be worth trying cross community events again? The last one basically flopped because everyone was on holiday while it was running but I reckon it might be worth a fair chance (In fairness, I don't know whether other members would be interested in that sort of event, so you would need to check interest first)
 
Mintlou, I think you made some good points and sparked a good discussion, but I would perhaps split your objectives - if people don't like you they're unlikely to have a productive conversation about the issues you have with the admin team if they think that agreeing with you will allow you leadership; some people may want to change the team but not want you as owner, so not seperating these categories causes unrepresentative arguements. I would have perhaps created this thread initially with a disconnect from you - "this vote is just to see if people are happy with the admins, not whether they want me as the owner etc." and then based on the replies, moved forward with "I think I could be a good candidate..." because I'm assuming the original post wasn't entirely self-interested?
 
Admins, I think a large part of the problem is due to the lack of communication and direction you seem to have. A stagnant/unfruitful state of development would be acceptable if we could see what work you were trying to do and it was apparent that nobody (including all members of the community) had any useable ideas. Maybe returning monthly updates would work? I understand that there may be nothing of substance to discuss in these posts (although at the moment, the stage that the FiveM server is at would be great to talk about) but I would honestly prefer a copypasta "Hey guys, we're currently just moderating, but any ideas you have for... would be greatly appreciated" to at least acknowledge the community (although if regular events came back, maybe these posts could promote them? Perhaps would be thought of a useless/spammy, idk). I also feel personally that I'm not sure what your goal is with the servers, I've heard talk about trying to build community size from some people, but a DayZ server does nothing to achieve that. Are the servers primary focus to satisfy the existing community or bring in new people?
As for the claims of admin's comments, its one word against another so I can't really argue either way
 
 
Also ngl this triggered me a bit when Mintlou was just talking about judging the argument, not him.
 
"But Eagle, you just said 'surely if somebody had an idea for how to move the community forward they would have made a post about it, no?' and then proceeded to give an idea on how to move the community forward!!!1!1!"
Yes, but I hadn't given much thought on community progression until the creation of this thread (which doesn't validate arguing for changing of an admin team as you can spur discussion by just creating a thread asking "how should we improve...")
 
 
EDIT: Started writing this earlier in the day then forgot about it so didn't see Mintlou's newest post, he summarised things pretty well but will leave this here as I think I made a few new points.

I think the main problem here (as others have said) is more the lack of a unifying entity for the community to engage rather than the admin team. I absolutely agree that there are things the current team could do better (e.g. more communication, more mod powers (what is the benefit of not allowing mods powers like approving forum posts or moving people in teamspeak? These are pretty basic powers and if someone's a mod they should be trustworthy enough to use them)), but I don't think shifting around the team will do much - surely if somebody had an idea for how to move the community forward they would have made a post about it, no?
This being said, I think bringing events back would be beneficial - servers tend to require long term commitments for sustainability and often revolve around a group of people within the community joining at once to create a core population that will actually incentivise other people to join. Events are not like this, you only have to give up a night or two and its an easy way to integrate members across the subgroups that exist. In addition, it perhaps has potential to gauge community interest in a particular game or gamemode, if people didn't find a surf/minigames/gmod/etc. event fun, it's unlikely to work as a server. I would like to clarify, however, that these should be EVENTS not server openings - they should offer the opportunity to play things that aren't usually/commonly available within OB (full sized tournaments, CTF games, 1v1s/2v2s against large numbers of people, and so on...).
As a side note to this, perhaps it would be worth trying cross community events again? The last one basically flopped because everyone was on holiday while it was running but I reckon it might be worth a fair chance (In fairness, I don't know whether other members would be interested in that sort of event, so you would need to check interest first)
 
Mintlou, I think you made some good points and sparked a good discussion, but I would perhaps split your objectives - if people don't like you they're unlikely to have a productive conversation about the issues you have with the admin team if they think that agreeing with you will allow you leadership; some people may want to change the team but not want you as owner, so not seperating these categories causes unrepresentative arguements. I would have perhaps created this thread initially with a disconnect from you - "this vote is just to see if people are happy with the admins, not whether they want me as the owner etc." and then based on the replies, moved forward with "I think I could be a good candidate..." because I'm assuming the original post wasn't entirely self-interested?
 
Admins, I think a large part of the problem is due to the lack of communication and direction you seem to have. A stagnant/unfruitful state of development would be acceptable if we could see what work you were trying to do and it was apparent that nobody (including all members of the community) had any useable ideas. Maybe returning monthly updates would work? I understand that there may be nothing of substance to discuss in these posts (although at the moment, the stage that the FiveM server is at would be great to talk about) but I would honestly prefer a copypasta "Hey guys, we're currently just moderating, but any ideas you have for... would be greatly appreciated" to at least acknowledge the community (although if regular events came back, maybe these posts could promote them? Perhaps would be thought of a useless/spammy, idk). I also feel personally that I'm not sure what your goal is with the servers, I've heard talk about trying to build community size from some people, but a DayZ server does nothing to achieve that. Are the servers primary focus to satisfy the existing community or bring in new people?
As for the claims of admin's comments, its one word against another so I can't really argue either way
 
 
Also ngl this triggered me a bit when Mintlou was just talking about judging the argument, not him.
 
"But Eagle, you just said 'surely if somebody had an idea for how to move the community forward they would have made a post about it, no?' and then proceeded to give an idea on how to move the community forward!!!1!1!"
Yes, but I hadn't given much thought on community progression until the creation of this thread (which doesn't validate arguing for changing of an admin team as you can spur discussion by just creating a thread asking "how should we improve...")
 
 
EDIT: Started writing this earlier in the day then forgot about it so didn't see Mintlou's newest post, he summarised things pretty well but will leave this here as I think I made a few new points.

I think the main problem here (as others have said) is more the lack of a unifying entity for the community to engage rather than the admin team. I absolutely agree that there are things the current team could do better (e.g. more communication, more mod powers (what is the benefit of not allowing mods powers like approving forum posts or moving people in teamspeak? These are pretty basic powers and if someone's a mod they should be trustworthy enough to use them)), but I don't think shifting around the team will do much - surely if somebody had an idea for how to move the community forward they would have made a post about it, no?
This being said, I think bringing events back would be beneficial - servers tend to require long term commitments for sustainability and often revolve around a group of people within the community joining at once to create a core population that will actually incentivise other people to join. Events are not like this, you only have to give up a night or two and its an easy way to integrate members across the subgroups that exist. In addition, it perhaps has potential to gauge community interest in a particular game or gamemode, if people didn't find a surf/minigames/gmod/etc. event fun, it's unlikely to work as a server. I would like to clarify, however, that these should be EVENTS not server openings - they should offer the opportunity to play things that aren't usually/commonly available within OB (full sized tournaments, CTF games, 1v1s/2v2s against large numbers of people, and so on...).
As a side note to this, perhaps it would be worth trying cross community events again? The last one basically flopped because everyone was on holiday while it was running but I reckon it might be worth a fair chance (In fairness, I don't know whether other members would be interested in that sort of event, so you would need to check interest first)
 
Mintlou, I think you made some good points and sparked a good discussion, but I would perhaps split your objectives - if people don't like you they're unlikely to have a productive conversation about the issues you have with the admin team if they think that agreeing with you will allow you leadership; some people may want to change the team but not want you as owner, so not seperating these categories causes unrepresentative arguements. I would have perhaps created this thread initially with a disconnect from you - "this vote is just to see if people are happy with the admins, not whether they want me as the owner etc." and then based on the replies, moved forward with "I think I could be a good candidate..." because I'm assuming the original post wasn't entirely self-interested?
 
Admins, I think a large part of the problem is due to the lack of communication and direction you seem to have. A stagnant/unfruitful state of development would be acceptable if we could see what work you were trying to do and it was apparent that nobody (including all members of the community) had any useable ideas. Maybe returning monthly updates would work? I understand that there may be nothing of substance to discuss in these posts (although at the moment, the stage that the FiveM server is at would be great to talk about) but I would honestly prefer a copypasta "Hey guys, we're currently just moderating, but any ideas you have for... would be greatly appreciated" to at least acknowledge the community (although if regular events came back, maybe these posts could promote them? Perhaps would be thought of a useless/spammy, idk). I also feel personally that I'm not sure what your goal is with the servers, I've heard talk about trying to build community size from some people, but a DayZ server does nothing to achieve that. Are the servers primary focus to satisfy the existing community or bring in new people?
As for the claims of admin's comments, its one word against another so I can't really argue either way
 
 
Also ngl this triggered me a bit when Mintlou was just talking about judging the argument, not him.
 
"But Eagle, you just said 'surely if somebody had an idea for how to move the community forward they would have made a post about it, no?' and then proceeded to give an idea on how to move the community forward!!!1!1!"
Yes, but I hadn't given much thought on community progression until the creation of this thread (which doesn't validate arguing for changing of an admin team as you can spur discussion by just creating a thread asking "how should we improve...")
 
 
EDIT: Started writing this earlier in the day then forgot about it so didn't see Mintlou's newest post, he summarised things pretty well but will leave this here as I think I made a few new points.

I think the main problem here (as others have said) is more the lack of a unifying entity for the community to engage rather than the admin team. I absolutely agree that there are things the current team could do better (e.g. more communication, more mod powers (what is the benefit of not allowing mods powers like approving forum posts or moving people in teamspeak? These are pretty basic powers and if someone's a mod they should be trustworthy enough to use them)), but I don't think shifting around the team will do much - surely if somebody had an idea for how to move the community forward they would have made a post about it, no?
This being said, I think bringing events back would be beneficial - servers tend to require long term commitments for sustainability and often revolve around a group of people within the community joining at once to create a core population that will actually incentivise other people to join. Events are not like this, you only have to give up a night or two and its an easy way to integrate members across the subgroups that exist. In addition, it perhaps has potential to gauge community interest in a particular game or gamemode, if people didn't find a surf/minigames/gmod/etc. event fun, it's unlikely to work as a server. I would like to clarify, however, that these should be EVENTS not server openings - they should offer the opportunity to play things that aren't usually/commonly available within OB (full sized tournaments, CTF games, 1v1s/2v2s against large numbers of people, and so on...).
As a side note to this, perhaps it would be worth trying cross community events again? The last one basically flopped because everyone was on holiday while it was running but I reckon it might be worth a fair chance (In fairness, I don't know whether other members would be interested in that sort of event, so you would need to check interest first)
 
Mintlou, I think you made some good points and sparked a good discussion, but I would perhaps split your objectives - if people don't like you they're unlikely to have a productive conversation about the issues you have with the admin team if they think that agreeing with you will allow you leadership; some people may want to change the team but not want you as owner, so not seperating these categories causes unrepresentative arguements. I would have perhaps created this thread initially with a disconnect from you - "this vote is just to see if people are happy with the admins, not whether they want me as the owner etc." and then based on the replies, moved forward with "I think I could be a good candidate..." because I'm assuming the original post wasn't entirely self-interested?
 
Admins, I think a large part of the problem is due to the lack of communication and direction you seem to have. A stagnant/unfruitful state of development would be acceptable if we could see what work you were trying to do and it was apparent that nobody (including all members of the community) had any useable ideas. Maybe returning monthly updates would work? I understand that there may be nothing of substance to discuss in these posts (although at the moment, the stage that the FiveM server is at would be great to talk about) but I would honestly prefer a copypasta "Hey guys, we're currently just moderating, but any ideas you have for... would be greatly appreciated" to at least acknowledge the community (although if regular events came back, maybe these posts could promote them? Perhaps would be thought of a useless/spammy, idk). I also feel personally that I'm not sure what your goal is with the servers, I've heard talk about trying to build community size from some people, but a DayZ server does nothing to achieve that. Are the servers primary focus to satisfy the existing community or bring in new people?
As for the claims of admin's comments, its one word against another so I can't really argue either way
 
 
Also ngl this triggered me a bit when Mintlou was just talking about judging the argument, not him.
 
"But Eagle, you just said 'surely if somebody had an idea for how to move the community forward they would have made a post about it, no?' and then proceeded to give an idea on how to move the community forward!!!1!1!"
Yes, but I hadn't given much thought on community progression until the creation of this thread (which doesn't validate arguing for changing of an admin team as you can spur discussion by just creating a thread asking "how should we improve...")
 
 
EDIT: Started writing this earlier in the day then forgot about it so didn't see Mintlou's newest post, he summarised things pretty well but will leave this here as I think I made a few new points.

Frostie right now:

A discussion was ongoing about the future of Outbreak. You were asked a few direct questions by members in the channel at the time. "What's going on with Outbreak, what's the team and Conor up to" .... You replied "Nothing, OB is dead and Conor just doesn't care anymore".... How on this earth can that even be described as an "Out of context" comment?
You made a mistake by saying that because you didn't think it would come back to bite you in the ass. It's what you meant at the time, and a week ago you would have given the exact same answer if it were not for this thread.
I agree that his comments were motivating. But don't forget that you lot are falling right back into my predicted cycle. Give Akame all the credit you want. You guys are finished with Outbreak and you know it. I'm not discrediting his post but really the only new thing there was the pub analogy if you analyse the arguments that have been made on this thread. You'd just rather listen to him because he doesn't call you out like I have been doing for years. The poll on this thread is about having a new owner. It has a CLEAR majority for it, and the current admin team are in full denial about it. 
 I started a thread with a main focus of changing the leadership team because I'm fed up with the crap you keep telling us about "where the community is", and the majority of active members seem to agree with the intentions of that poll title if you look at the weight of that vote.
Unseen was one of the most highly appraised community staff members of all time, the community even tried to get him to co-owner status. He left because of Conor...
The Mintlou curse of not being taken seriously because it's Mintlou still going strong 6 years on. Please look at the argument rather than the person making it, because it seems anyone who has the same opinion as I do and doesn't reference Mintlou gets massive praise and encouragement. 

Mintlou: this bad but worded badly
Everyone: boo
Akame: this bad
Everyone: YAASSSS SLAY GURL ??